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December 05, 2007

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andrew

good post kester. if i see the film, i will watch it with this framework in mind. thanks.

David Allis

Thnaks for your comments.
I read all three books in thr trilogy several years ago, and was surprised to see the emails ciculating & comments on TV saying that the film is anti-christian. I've just been reading the books again (I'm on to the third one) to see if I missed something ..... I've found that I didn't miss anything.
The books are against a from of religious control & intolerance that we all should be against.
Yes - in the books, some of the characters are waging war to try to destroy God. Actually, it becomes difficult to tell who are good & who are bad .... but this is all part of the issues faced by children & adults in real life .... we need to teach discernment, rather than a blind fear of anything that looks like critique.
So .... thanks for your review. Don't hide from the movie / books, but view them with discernment. If your kids see them, make sure you see them also, so you can discuss them intelligently.

Adam

i agree with how you covered this issue.

i think that people who haven't seen a movie yet determine precisely what the movie is or isn't saying are not grounded.

the ones who have looked into a source with an unassuming eye, not looking for faults in the movie or books but simply enjoying the process, earn the right to critique ideas and thoughts raised.

even then, i don't think anyone should go off and say "I think this is evil, so you should as well".

Arg. this would have made for a good conversation, if you and i had met in a coffeehouse rather than a computer screen. alas.

Paul Fromont

Good for you Kester. I couldn't agree more.

http://prodigal.typepad.com/prodigal_kiwi/2007/11/rowan-williams-.html

jonny

i raised my eyebrows at andrew's post too. i completely agree with you on this one... saw the film and have read the books and loved them...

dan hughes

we loved the film. it was enchanting and left one happily waiting for the next chapter. the religious reaction is worthy of little beyond ignoring patiently. the books are epic. one can only hope the screenplays are adapted well in the coming HDM installments.

Nathan Mattox

Kester, glad you enjoyed the film and books. I think the books are wonderful and complex and deserve a lot of time and attention. I'm eagerly awaiting "The Book of Dust," Pullman's next venture. I agree with you about the misplaced ire about this movie. As with most novels and movies that have some controversial religious imagery or message, many Christians seem bent on sinking the ship. One book that has been the most powerful to me in spiritual insight is "The Last Temptation of Christ," and I have always wished more Xians would give it a chance despite "what they've heard." I've been speaking on a chat room (The Republic of Heaven) with fans of the books all summer, and find their insights and spiritual questing and yearning very inspiring.

On the subject of the movie, it was good enough, but could have been better. One thing I loved about the books was the sense of discovery that I had while reading, because Pullman didn't explain every little subtle difference in Lyra's world. As I went through it, I had the opportunity to "piece together" what a "daemon" was, etc. I kind of cringed when the first line of the movie was something like "in another parallel universe, people's souls live outside their body in the form of a daemon." Bah! Why not give moviegoers the same opportunity to deduce for themselves the importance and strength of connection between a person and their daemon. So, I'm glad to see the movie getting the books more attention, mildly frustrated by the wrongheaded critique among those who are all alarmed that the protagonists "kill God," and a little disappointed by the lack of subtlety by the filmmakers.

Nathan Mattox

PS
I was surprised to see a Christianity Today review that didn't get caught up in the hysteria and instead approached the weaknesses of the adaptation from book to movie screenplay. If you only have $11--buy the book, not a ticket to the movie.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/reviews/2007/goldencompass.html

johnny

Hi Kester

It sounds like a load of something about nothing as usual! As a self confessed book buying non reader, (it's the glossy covers) i cannot comment more but am grateful for anything that critiques religous control.

Catherine

Interesting. I've been surfing around to see what other bloggers are saying about the series. I've just posted my own review here if you're interested. I'd love feedback!

David Derbyshire

I would agree that there is actually a lot in these novels that is good but we must not overlook the sting in the tail, so to speak. What Pullman offers as an alternative to this false belief is a belief in human freedom which ultimately stops short the true spirituality that is my own experience. In the final pages of the thrid novel Pullman’s fervent atheism becomes crystal clear as he preaches, and he does preach, about the ‘Republic of Heaven’ which is ultimately a secular humanist message that I must reject. So if we do choose to encourage our children to see this movie, its sequels, and the novels and so on, I feel that we would need to feel conversant enough with the issues that they raise to be able to discuss them meaningfully and to encourage our children to discuss them with others putting forward their faith as a rebuttal to Pullman’s atheism. What do you think?

David Derbyshire

I would agree that there is actually a lot in these novels that is good but we must not overlook the sting in the tail, so to speak. What Pullman offers as an alternative to this false belief is a belief in human freedom which ultimately stops short the true spirituality that is my own experience. In the final pages of the thrid novel Pullman’s fervent atheism becomes crystal clear as he preaches, and he does preach, about the ‘Republic of Heaven’ which is ultimately a secular humanist message that I must reject. So if we do choose to encourage our children to see this movie, its sequels, and the novels and so on, I feel that we would need to feel conversant enough with the issues that they raise to be able to discuss them meaningfully and to encourage our children to discuss them with others putting forward their faith as a rebuttal to Pullman’s atheism. What do you think?

Megan Click

Interesting review...the thing is...the abuse of authority is not the only thing being criticized in the books. Pullman also seems to support the Neitzchean view that God is the suppression of the human life force and that his rules on sexual behavior and purity should be rebelled against...

Megan Click

Interesting review...the thing is...the abuse of authority is not the only thing being criticized in the books. Pullman also seems to support the Neitzchean view that God is the suppression of the human life force and that his rules on sexual behavior and purity should be rebelled against...

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